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Personally, I don't think this is an issue at all, but apparently, it is. And I know there are people out there who compulsively check their friends vs. friends-of lists, and although I admit I think they're silly, I don't think any less of them for it. It's like me and collecting anime, for the pointlessness of it all.

So, the issue being debated is: Should users be allowed to "edit" their friends-of list?

[ http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_biz/217808.html ]

:D if you don't want to think, go read [ link 1 | http://www.livejournal.com/users/sparklescamp/255477.html ] and [ link 2 | http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_biz/217808.html?thread=4596688#t4596688 ] and agree with them. Then copy and paste them into the poll and vote not to change it (first option).

- Friends-of lists the people who list you as friends. Unless you list them as friends, they will not see non-public posts. Currently, one can hide the Friends-of list, if it bothers people.

The issues so far:
- People are bothered when they see that they are the friend of "LOT_OF_ANIMAL_SEX" or something stupid like that that someone made up to annoy aforementioned People with.
- People want to remove those people they hate.
- People fear stalkers.

My points/points I agree with:
- It doesn't matter. Just because they list you as their friend, doesn't mean you are their friend. People need to understand this, and it should be explained to them.
- Changing it will result in even more problems... there are problems enough caused by the friends list... now people will start checking their friends to make sure they're listed, etc. OCD.
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vvalkyri From: vvalkyri Date: March 4th, 2004 07:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
::shakes his head:: not just new friends, I mean, intimately so.. to the point of arranging to meet IRL and getting married, etc.

completely public identities as in, their real life information? I keep mine accurate and completely true... well, my real name should be obvious from my e-mail address. And I'm google-able as well, very much so. Not too sure I see the point you're trying to make there...? (probably just me being typically dense...)

Mmm, personally, I'd say that's thinking and worrying too much. So what if complete strangers who you don't know about draw conclusions from your friends-of list? 1) Chances are, you'll never know them... and when you do, you can correct their mistake. 2) People should not be so stupid as to draw a conclusion without understanding how the system that provides them with the information works. And if they are so stupid, wouldn't it be better not to worry about them in the first place? 3) If they do go around spreading nasty rumors, there is bound to be someone else who uses livejournal and understands the system who will explain that just because (to take your example) cumswallowers is under your friends-of list, doesn't mean that you support it in any way, making the person who spread the rumors look even more foolish.

Now being able to hide communities would be an interesting feature... I do belong to a few.. more iffy communities elsewhere that might raise a few eyebrows, even among those who see me daily. Heh, but then again, I don't care too much. Provide enough information and stalkers lose interest... And it tends to make it harder to find useful blackmail material (this is a flawed train of thought, I know, shhh, I'm delusional). Plus, I'm not that interesting anyways~ =^.^=

Mmm, now that's something I haven't heard of before... Most people tend to work though communities or their friends-friends, from what I know. It's an interesting idea though. Why not hide it when you don't need it, then unhide when you want someone new to read? That way, you'll also be able to set a limit and not overwhelm yourself?

Heh. Anime communities raise eyebrows?
Not sure what you mean by "tend to work through communities or their friends-friends."

Re your first point it's not that "someone might see and go around spreading nasty rumors," and you seem to be assuming that anyone who comes by my journal is part of the LJ community. A number of my friends seem to drop by from time to time. It's more that my userinfo page is my userinfo page. I really wish it were possible to set trust levels for pictures. I wish it were possible to set trust levels for who can see membership in which communities.

The public identities... the person who brought me onto LJ is pretty public far and wide on what his ID is. People at his workplace read his LJ. Other friends of mine use their first & last names as their lj id's. Especially when one is easily findable by random but not so random people it becomes a little more important what impressions people might get.

And as for the friendof listing, it's a useful community builder, and it's interesting to find people through other people's friendof listing. But it would be nice to have some choice in what displays on a page that is part of one's public face to the world.

ibneko From: ibneko Date: March 5th, 2004 01:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heh, nah, not the communities I have listed here. I have journals elsewhere that are part of iffy communities.

"tend to work through communities or their friends-friends." - sorry, ...tend to find friends though... might make more sense. And friends-friends=friend's friends.

Hm, not assuming that people who find your journal are part of the LJ community...

It's more that my userinfo page is my userinfo page.?

Trust level for pictures (userpics?)... Like the security setting for posts? That'd be rather hard to impliment, though... And it would bother some people, because there's bound to be a number of people who would use that feature, then use a "private" or "friends-only" userpic on a public post, then complain to Abuse and Support that their userpic isn't showing up. And the server would need to check each userpic's security level, on every request... more hits to the database=more delay. And each userpic would require a security level appended to it, which would mean a major database change, considering how things are now... And there's probably other things I haven't thought of yet. Not to say that it can't be done- it could probably easily be done and it would be a cool feature. Perhaps you should try submitting that as a feature request to The suggestion box.

Oh, hm, seems like people-up-high have made some kind of decision... it's been changed to "Read / Trusted by:"...

Hope I made some kind of sense up there.. =.=;; didn't get a lot of sleep last night because I was up late studying for math.

[more or less random]Hey, look, you only live 30-1h away from me... somehow, it feels so weird to be 'talking' to a complete stranger who live only a hour max away...[/random-ish]
vvalkyri From: vvalkyri Date: March 5th, 2004 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
More a trust level for seeing the userpics on the userpics page, rather than in general. I added this to the suggestions some time ago; not sure how to look it up.

Say someone has a default picture that doesn't show her face and some other pictures that do. She may choose to use the pictures that do mostly when she comments in other people's journals.

It would be nice to make it so that if someone goes to the userpics page those people not on her friends list can't see what she looks like, but instead see that there are a couple of screened pictures.

Re finding friends through communities vs friends of friends... it usually happens within the comments or reading someone else's friendslist, rather than the "read by" list, as far as I can tell.

Yep. I'll be in Rockville for dancing at Timpano's on the 3rd Thursday of the month.
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