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Leopard: Terminal
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Apple's Terminal in Leopard has... downgraded. It's lost the split-screen ability. And to change to a color I like, I have to first go into preferences, create a new "style" (wtf..), then switch over to said style. Can't change things on the fly. Why can't I change things on the fly, then save it as a new style if I like it?

Hmmm, transparency seems to be gone too, even though I never used that. Although it was kinda cool.

It does have tabs now (yay...?) but I don't use tabs for things that may generate content... so no tabs in my IM client, and I'll never use tabs in Terminal. May be useful for others though...

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From: (Anonymous) Date: November 5th, 2007 10:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ummm... I am currently using Terminal with transparency set, it's a slider called "Opacity" on the color selection panel for the window settings. Why is creating a style onerous? Also, once you have a style, everything changes on the fly as you change the settings... I'm confused.

Cult-Of-The-Dead-Cow was having the same trouble as you, but if you really don't like it, just grab the old Terminal.app it still works on leopard? Also why the now tabs on content generating stuff? iChat has tabs now too (though they could be better) I have two or three tabs when I'm working sitting in respective directories, one for my main project, one for a backup, and one for a separate project. And sometimes one to screw around with the OS.

I forgot to mention on the spaces stuff, I bind the listed applications to their own desktops. And I still use spaces even though I have 30"+22" of active desktop area on this computer.
fbartho From: fbartho Date: November 5th, 2007 10:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
wtf, I got logged out for the first time in I don't know how long. ^ was me.

Oh and it's "no tabs" not "now tabs", "Why the no tabs..."
ibneko From: ibneko Date: November 5th, 2007 11:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, yes, there is opacity. I missed that. But... eh. It just seems backwards? You must create a new setting in preferences, go back to your terminal, select the new setting, and _then_ go back to preferences and change how you want it to behave.

(I still miss split screen.. >.< That was a damn useful option.)

Because tabs essentially hides the information. Or at best, you'll know that there's new content, but you have to change over to the tab in order to process the new information, while with just multiple windows, you can put windows so they don't overlap each other, and read the information as it comes in. (I mean, I guess you can use Growl or something and have persistent pop-ups, but a large chunk of those would get messy.

I wish there was a way to move all the windows of an application to another space. Moving windows gets kinda tricky with Adium's contact list, since I run my contact list so it takes up the least amount of screen space possible, so no window title bar... etc. And I don't want to bind applications to their own spaces/desktops.
fbartho From: fbartho Date: November 6th, 2007 01:41 am (UTC) (Link)
To me it makes some sense that the background color is where you edit the opacity... What doesn't make as much sense is why they don't let you put images as backgrounds anymore.

Once again you have me confused... You can create a new window with minimal effort... Tabs is just a new way to cluster terminal sessions together... you're in no way obligated to do so: File->New Window Optionally you can also layout all your sessions as you like and save "Window Groups" which are groups of terminal windows with tabs (or not) and that way on reboot you can cleanly layout all your shells so they fill your secondary monitor with one or two long screens and a couple of short ones neatly tiled how you like. I use the tabs with mutually exclusive activities, either I'm doing one or I'm doing the other, and these are rarely long running tasks... If they are a long running task, then I can spawn a new window for them. (And you can move existing tabs from window to window without losing the session) What information are you worried about hiding?

If you're talking about split screen within a single window, then maybe I see something they haven't kept, I guess I never used that... Tab windows was my personal demanded feature. Further, isn't there a terminal app that will give you a virtual grid of split screen terminal sessions? I think it's called screen. Sorry your feature got lost.

As for spaces, how do you move the windows? I move them by hitting F8 and dragging and dropping the windows I want to move, though I do find it frustrating when not all of the application's windows are on a single desktop... sometimes the Focus get's wonky in that situation with dialogs on the wrong screen etc. That should be fixed. However with the 3x3 grid and the regularly used applications bound to their personal desktops, that behavior gets handled sanely. We currently still use this PowerPC Carbon app for our scheduling and it has all sorts of problems with focus on tiger etc, especially when using virtue desktops, but as soon as the company moves to Leopard for everyone internally we'll get to use iCal and drop that craptastic old app. In addition I use stickies floating over all my desktops, and it's kinda interesting to see the windows flying around between the sticky notes above the stable desktop.
ibneko From: ibneko Date: November 6th, 2007 01:57 am (UTC) (Link)
Eh. Meh, I dunno. Different modes of thought, maybe.

Screen? Hmmm. Eh, I dunno. Doesn't look like it'll do what I usually did - my needs for the split-screen option is mostly when I've got something that scrolls more than my window height, and I need to refer to that, while entering commands at the bottom.

I move windows by clicking on the window title bar, then hitting the combo to shift spaces. This takes the window with me as I shift. Very nice, since it keeps the window from shifting out of place while being moved from space to space.
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